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Reviving a Moribund GOP

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From the Bush Administration's current economic performance, it's clear the GOP has no idea how to revive the economy.  Secretary of the Treasury Paulson, an alumnus of Goldman, has been tossing billions of taxpayer dollars to his buddies on Wall Street.  Please explain to me how a bailout of blundering banks saves the economy.  All it does is reward bad behavior, the last thing the GOP needs to revive its "reputation".

If a bank is "too big to fail", it should be broken up.  Banks that engaged in reckless lending practices should be permitted to fail.  Their managers should be fired.  Their shareholders and creditors should take a bath.

The lesson of the current debacle should be that reckless behavior is punished.  The voters certainly are punishing the GOP.  That's because too many GOP politicians were tied to the scandals currently playing out.  Even more Democrats are involved, but the Bush Administration utterly failed to get that message out.  Does ANYONE know about the Bush Administration's, former GOP Congressman Chris Shays's, and John McCain's valiant efforts to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, shut down by a sarcastic Democratic Congressman Barney Frank and Democratic U.S. Senator Chris Dodd, who was bought and paid for by Countrywide?  I doubt it.  It received no publicity.  Fighting the War on Terror, the Bush Administratiuon didn't think it important.

Last Updated ( Monday, 05 January 2009 11:05 )
 

Note to ACS: Please Do Something about the Pro Terrorist Child Abusers

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I used to think that people come to this country to escape terrible circumstances, such as persecution.  I no longer believe that.  I rest my case on the fact that the pro terrorist, anti-Semitic, pro Hamas demonstrators who convened in NYC on the weekend brought young children with them.  Some of these kids carried signs with "Clean Zionists off the Earth" which I take as a call for genocide.  I am afraid that this generation of Moslem-Americans is lost thanks to their parents, their mosques and their lefty friends who encourage this garbage.  I hope that ACS and the police photograph these loons and report them for child abuse.  I recall the photo of a German Moslem child with a fake bomb belt on at a pro terrorist rally in Germany.  Shameful, dangerous and disgusting.  And coming to a neighborhood near you!
 

Deepak Chopra's 9 Steps to the End of America

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A bio blurb on Deepak Chopra reads as follows:

Deepak Chopra is acknowledged as one of the world's greatest leaders in the field of mind-body medicine. He is the author of over 50 books, including Buddha: A Story of Enlightenment and Ageless Body, Timeless Mind.

A serious rewrite is in order. Like this:

Deepak Chopra is a clueless peacenik moron who, despite his literary accomplishments, has no idea how the real world works and whose hatred for the United States is apparently so deep that he has asked its incoming president to completely disarm the nation, which will result in its destruction by her enemies.

On the first day of the New Year, Chopra sent a memo to president-elect Golden Calf entitled, “9 Steps to Peace for Obama in the New Year: Steps the incoming president can take to build a peace-based economy”:

The following is a memo to Barack Obama from Deepak Chopra

You have been elected by the first anti-war constituency since 1952, when Dwight D. Eisenhower was elected after promising to end the Korean War. But ending a war isn’t the same as bringing peace. America has been on a war footing since the day after Pearl Harbor, 67 years ago. We spend more on our military than the next 16 countries combined. If you have a vision of change that goes to the heart of this country’s deep problems, ending our dependence on war is far more important than ending our dependency on foreign oil.

The most immediate changes are economic. Unless it can make as much money as war, peace doesn’t stand a chance. Since aerospace and military technologies remain the United States’ most destructive export, fostering wars around the world, what steps can we take to reverse that trend and build a peace-based economy?

1. Scale out arms dealing and make it illegal by the year 2020.

2. Write into every defense contract a requirement for a peacetime project.

3. Subsidize conversion of military companies to peaceful uses with tax incentives and direct funding.

4. Convert military bases to housing for the poor.

5. Phase out all foreign military bases.

6. Require military personnel to devote part of their time to rebuilding infrastructure.

7. Call a moratorium on future weapons technologies.

8. Reduce armaments like destroyers and submarines that have no use against terrorism and were intended to defend against a superpower enemy that no longer exists.

9. Fully fund social services and take the balance out of the defense and homeland security budgets.

Gateway Pundit says: "Deepak Chopra is not just ignorant he is dangerous." I’d raise the stakes even more: Deepak Chopra is either a certifiable idiot or a bona fide traitor.

Why do I doubt Chopra's patriotism? Because each and every one of these points, if taken seriously, would severely compromise the safety of Americans and the safety of millions of innocent citizens around the world whose asses we cover because their own governments are too much a bunch of socialist-peacenik pussies to do it themselves.

Chopra goes on:

These are just the beginning. We don’t lack creativity in coping with change. Without a conversion of our present war economy to a peace economy, the high profits of the military-industrial complex ensures that it will never end.

Military-industrial complex? How Chomskyan. And how utterly boneheaded. Like a cognitively adolescent liberal he seems to think the reason we spend so much on defense is because there is money to be made on war.

Do these nine steps seem unrealistic or fanciful? In various ways, other countries have adopted similar measures. The former Soviet army is occupied with farming and other peaceful work, for example. But comparisons are rather pointless, since only the United States is burdened with such a massive reliance on defense spending. Ultimately, empire follows the dollar. As a society, we want peace, and we want to be seen as a nation that promotes peace. For either ideal to come true, you as president must back up your vision of change with economic reality. So far, that hasn’t happened under any of your predecessors. All hopes are pinned on you.

You idiot! The United States is a nation that promotes peace!

We are the nation that led in the defeat of the genocidal Nazi’s in World War II.

We are the nation that brought down the U.S.S.R., which oppressed hundreds of millions of people for 70 years and which invaded and occupied over two dozen other countries throughout its existence.

We are the nation that brought down the dictator Saddam Hussein, who oppressed, tortured, and murdered his own citizens for 25 years, who harbored terrorists, and who paid families of suicide bombers who killed innocent Israeli civilians.

We are the nation that pays with taxpayer dollars and American blood to protect the oppressed in the Middle East, in Africa, and worldwide while Marxist-socialist elites and terrorist-sympathizers at the U.N. do nothing but slap us with bogus human rights violations.

Who is your ideal of promoter of peace, Deepak? France? Cuba? The morally bankrupt U.N.?

What’s really scary is that there are 60’s-era liberals who have not yet matured from their perpetual state of adolescence and think that de-funding our national defense and putting it in the same lame failed social programs is a good and noble thing. No it’s not. It’s stupid, it’s short-sighted, and it’s suicidal.

What’s also really scary is that Barack Obama will probably consider many, if not all, of Chopra’s ideas.

And finally, what’s the scariest is that Deepak Chopra, and those liberals who think like him, don’t seem to realize: If his nation didn’t spend as much on defense as they have since they’ve been in its “war footing,” he’d most likely be D-E-A-D. And so would the innocent souls worldwide.

Cross-posted at http://VocalMinority.typepad.com “The Jewish Republican’s Web Sanctuary”

 

Cheap Food and Cheap Energy: The Lifeblood of our Economy

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Cross-posted from an earlier comment:

The economy of this country is built on cheap food and cheap energy. Somewhere along the way, the politicians in the Congress who voted to subsidize ethanol with tax dollars (including Barack Obama) forgot that.

The consequence has been skyrocketing food and fuel prices. Ethanol is made from corn and other food crops. Turning food into ethanol creates food shortages, and is a recipe for skyrocketing food prices. It's also a recipe for unrest in the third world. In Mexico, for example, poor people no longer can afford corn meal, their food staple.

And ethanol is far more expensive to manufacture than gasoline is to produce. Ethanol manufacture also ruins the environment in farm states. So our tax dollars are subsidizing environmental ruin as well as ethanol.

I heard Boone Pickens lecture in NYC a month ago. He knows energy policy, and says we have no energy policy right now. He advocates for increases in energy production in a variety of ways, including more nuclear energy, more solar energy, more wind energy, and most important, more natural gas production. There remains an abundance of natural gas in this country in many places, including New York.  We need to exploit all available sources of energy to wean us from dependence on hostile foreign powers.  The only other alternative is to go to war with them.

Krauthammer's a brilliant commentator, but he's clearly out of his league discussing energy policy. He's obsessed with trivia as the big issues goes un-discussed. It's sad to see such talent go to waste.

 

Slumdog Millionnaire - a Good Movie but Politically Correct?

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I enjoyed Slumdog Millionnaire and suspect that it will win several awards.  I don't want to give away too much of the plot, which involves a poor boy whose mother is killed during Hindu on Moslem violence in India; a popular Indian tv game show which Jamal enters;  the evil underbelly of India which includes criminals who send children off to beg and even blind them because "blind children earn double"; and of course, a romance.  One of the issues which troubled me about this movie is the Hindu on Moslem violence at the begnning of the movie, particularly in light of the terrible attack that India recently endured in which hundreds of Hindus, Christians, Jews, Moslems, etc., were killed and also the fact that India's railway systems have been under attack for years by Moslem terrorists who have killed thousands of people.  I wonder if I am the only one who was uncomfortable with the fact that the hero of the movie is a Moslem boy.  I did hear several people whisper during the begnning of the movie, "Oh, they are Moslem" as if the director, Danny Boyle, were trying to make a "moral equivalency factor".  The criminal enterprise that Jamal's brother joins is run by a man named "Khan" who is obviously a Moslem.  I would like to hear other reactions to this.  But then again, it is only a movie.
 

WHERE'S SCOTT SALA WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

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It appears that the Administrators and Editors of the "new" Urban Elephants have been greatly disappointed over the failure of so many of the original bloggers from the classic Urban Elephants website to participate in this reincarnation.    

Well, they shouldn't be!                

Could the current blog be any more antiseptic? Has reprinting the articles of so-called "renowned" writers (on their very own section of the blog - perhaps UEs' own version of the "Group Areas Act") really served to distinguish the site? Finally, has the failure of UE to recapture the rough and tumble earthiness and electricity of the original blog been due to the utter hubris of attempting to somehow emulate The Huffington Post?

 

Whatever the personal motivation of Scott Sala in creating the old Urban Elephants, what made it so special (at least until it was corrupted at the end) was the devotion of so many "rank and file" bloggers to participate thereby giving the site a unique energy and power that resulted in its voices being heard far louder than its numbers might indicate. Indeed, that accomplishment was in no small measure due to Sala's almost innate ability to recognize the power, resonance and timeliness of particular commentary. To his credit, he would post articles to the "front page" regardless of whether they were attuned to his own political beliefs. In fact, on a number of occasions he asked me to write commentary on labor and union themed issues even though he was aware of the outpouring of anger and derision such articles would receive from the resident UE "right wingers." Such conduct inspires loyalty and respect (both to the editor as well as the blog). None of those qualities appears to be present on the current site.

It is also important to remember that a blog's diversity of viewpoint is truly its strength and should never be considered a weakness - or worse, deemed perfidious. Even the rabid right-wingers of UE should realize that attracting a mainstream and progressive audience can only advance their purpose as their commentary is (then) being read and perhaps influencing an audience that may have only been attracted to the site by the "left-wingers" they seemingly despise.

Beyond the almost redundant nature of the viewpoints on the "new" UE is the boredom they inspire. Where are the extensive comments from the readership either totally outraged or vehemently in support of the content of an article? They are no where to be found. Isn't that also the fertile ground from which a site grows in members and influence? Let's face it; the "new" UE mainly inspires yawns.

Memo to the Editors: beg Scott Sala to return!      

Last Updated ( Saturday, 03 January 2009 14:29 )
 

Young Republicans and the internet.

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As Bob Dylan wrote the times they are a-changin'. The campaign model that work for republicans in the past will not be as effective in the future. The internet has had a larger impact on this than most of us would have predicted. If the Barack Obama campaign in 2008 is not evidence enough of this, with his rumored 13 million email addresses, consider that the largest online fundraising day was set by a little known congressman from Texas who managed a marginal showing in the majority of Republican primaries.

When I undertook the challenge of launching a new club for young republicans in the Bronx I opened up my MacBook and did a little research on young republican clubs. I looked at not only on the existing local New York City area clubs but other clubs and federations around country. I wasn't just researching ideas for our website but also ideas on how to make a well rounded and active club. Unfortunately what I saw was not only disappointing but appallingly bad efforts by local clubs and state federations alike. Not that the national federation was any better.

How bad is it out there? 17 state federations have no website. Alaska's YR Federation website still has Frank Murkowski listed as governor of the state even though Sarah Palin has been the governor for over two years. The Texas YR Federation website has links that have been dead for over a year. California's federation isn't even listed has having a website by the Young Republican National Federation. If that isn't bad enough consider that Ohio, a swing state in the three previous presidential elections, is a federation without a website.

What does it say about republicans if our national and state federations auxiliaries can't manage to put up websites or keep even the most basic information up to date? Is it that we don't understand the value of the internet or is just laziness?

Over the past four years the functions of websites have moved beyond just providing information towards hubs of social and business networking where people engage one another individually. It is time for us to take it to the next step. Political networking.

It is unlikely that more than a handful of local young republican auxiliaries would have the means to create the sort of websites we saw from the Paul or Obama campaigns. However this is exactly what we should expect from the state federations. None of the state federations offer websites that have a networking component. Most don't even use a content management system. Few offer regular updates such a blog or calender.

I'm not sure what the future holds for the Republican Party but I do know if we don't bridge this gap that has emerged in the last election we will continue to struggle in state and national elections. We have to make a better effort to present our message online because younger people are trending towards the internet to gather their information on politics. This divide won't be closed solely by a better online presence but it will continue to broaden if they can't find us, and we can't keep then engaged, when they come looking for our message, candidates and auxiliaries.

The times they are a changin' and so must we.
Last Updated ( Tuesday, 30 December 2008 04:59 )
 

"Barack the Magic Negro" Probably not on Peter Yarrow's iPod

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Awww, “Puff the Magic Dwagon” composew Petew Yarrow is vewy angwy. The über-socialist and peacenik is perturbed at the parody “Barack the Magic Negro,” produced under the auspices of Rush Limbaugh and played all summer long on his radio show.

Mr. Yarrow says at the Huffington Post:

The sending of a Christmas greeting by Chip Saltsman to the members of the Republican National Committee that includes a recording of the so-called parody, “Barack the Magic Negro” is not only offensive, it is shocking and saddening in the extreme. It flies in the face of America’s deeply held hope for a new era in which common ground and mutual respect characterize the exchanges between our national leaders.

I and my co-writer of “Puff,” Lenny Lipton, have been eagerly awaiting an end to the mean-spiritedness, outright disrespect and bigotry that was commonplace prior to this last presidential election. What might have been wearily accepted as “the way it was” in the campaign, is now unacceptable. Obama is not a candidate. He is the President-Elect, and this song insults the office of the Presidency, the people who voted for him, as well as those who did not—and taking a children’s song and twisting it in such vulgar, mean-spirited way, is a slur to our entire country and our common agreement to move beyond racism.

It is almost unimaginable to me that Chip Saltzman who sent the CD, would seriously be considered for the top post of the Republican National Committee. Puff, himself, if asked, would certainly agree.

Oh, puh-lease.

I actually got to share a stage once with Mr. Yarrow. Well, I was actually getting on the stage at the same time he was getting off, but for a few seconds we were on the same stage at the same time! It was at a national Jewish educator conference, and he was just finishing a rehearsal of his evening extravaganza, and I was just coming on to rehearse my slightly less adverstized set.

Anyway ... Problem is, Mr. Yarrow and Ms. Huffington, the song wasn’t making fun of Barack Obama or his blackness. He was making fun of a March, 2007, Los Angeles Times article by liberal columnist David Ehrenstein called … um … wait a minute, I have it here somewhere … oh, yeah, here it is: Obama the ‘Magic Negro’!

If you read Mr. Ehrenstein’s piece (which I won’t reprint any of here; I just had breakfast), you can almost see where the puddles of drool dropped. Seriously, the man must have had to change his pants three times before he completed writing it.

So what are conservative commentators supposed to do when such a sycophantic, um, “puff” piece is written about the Golden Calf and is given such a telling title? You write a freaking parody, of course! And that’s exactly what Rush Limbaugh got his parody peeps to do.

In other words, the parody isn’t a reflection of alleged conservative mean-spiritedness. It was a musical illustration of liberal intolerance and hypocrisy, namely, columnist Ehrenstein’s infatuation with Barack Obama’s race!

But neither Yarrow, nor Ariana Huffington who gave him a forum to express his repulsion, nor the HuffPo commentors whose posts I perused, seem to realize this.

Mr. Yarrow, it seems the person you should be angry with is not Rush Limbaugh, or the RNC who used this song on a CD they’ve been distributing; instead you should be angry at L.A. Times columnist David Ehrenstein. After all, he’s the one who, clearly with your song in mind, bastardized your precious song title.

By the way, here are the lyrics to the song. The whole thing is based on quotes about Obama by the L.A. Times article, Sharpton himself, and guilty white liberals (who, since that March 2007 article, Rush correctly predicted would prop Obama up to Messiah-hood and get him elected president.)

(As if sung by Al Sharpton)

Refrain:
Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
‘Cause he’s not authentic like me.

Yeah, the guy from the L.A. paper [See, it’s right in the song, and Yarrow and the HuffPo still don’t have a clue]
Said he makes guilty whites feel good
They’ll vote for him, and not for me
‘Cause he’s not from the hood.

See, real black men, like Snoop Dog,
Or me, or Farrakhan
Have talked the talk, and walked the walk.
Not come in late and won!

Refrain

Some say Barack’s “articulate”
And bright and new and “clean” [That would be VP-elect Joe Biden who said that, by the way. Oh, the freaking irony!]
The media sure loves this guy,
A white interloper’s dream!
[That’s the only racist comment in the entire song—and it was uttered by a black person about white people!]

But, when you vote for president,
Watch out, and don’t be fooled!
Don’t vote the Magic Negro in
‘Cause...

(Music stops, Sharpton rants, music returns)

Sounds like good old-fashioned humous parody to me. Say what you will about whether the song is vulgar or mean-spirited, but the lyrics are 1000% true. And that’s most likely why the left-o-sphere is so angry.

In conclusion, my advice to the “so-called” songwriter Peter Yarrow:

First, get the facts straight before you start yet another rant about the alleged racism of the Republican Party.

I know, I know. You’re a liberal. When have the facts ever stopped you from thinking the worst about anything? Republicans are racist. America is evil. Man-made carbon emissions is going to fry the planet. What else does anyone really need to know, right?

Second, get a backbone: It’s a free country and if you really want people to believe you are the tolerant, open-minded, and free-speech-loving liberal you claim to be, then you shouldn’t have a problem with someone making a parody of your song—even if you don’t approve of the content. So man up.

And besides, what would you have done if someone wrote a “Puff” parody bashing Sarah Palin? I’ll tell you what you would have done: Stood up and cheered, you little hypocrite.

And lastly, get over yourself.

There. Was that vulgar, offensive, and mean-spirited enough?

Cross-posted on http://VocalMinority.typepad.com "The Jewish Republican's Web Sanctuary"
Last Updated ( Tuesday, 30 December 2008 02:02 )
 

Will the Jig Finally be up for Mayor Bloomberg?

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The city council has just raised the property tax 7% effective the end of January; the sales tax will come back; Mayor Bloomberg has also been very busy signing people up for New York medicaid, an entitlement larger than that of California and Texas put together.  His poll numbers are starting to slip although they are above 50%.  He has been pushing for the unqualified and unprepared Caroline Kennedy to be named U.S. senator by David Paterson because she has a better chance of begging for dollars from Washington D.C.  It would never occur to the mayor that if he were to lower taxes, that NYC might attract more business people and attract middle class families.  No, that thought would never occur to him.  He lectures the public ad nauseum about the dangers of smoking and of guns yet was very defensive of State Senator elect Hiram Montserrate after he was arraigned for slashing his girlfriend with a beer bottle.  Bottles used as weapons are not on the mayor's short list of dangers.  His is the biggest ego in New York City and he once dreamt of either running for the presidency or being named as a vice presidential candidate by one of the two parties.   He has stabbed Republicans and Democrats in the back.  Are his days as mayor numbered?  Or is the New York State GOP so hapless that it would eventually support his candidacy although he stands for so many things that the GOP should oppose:  nanny statism; social liberalism including gay marriage and forcing hospital residents to perform abortions; tax and spend programs; the aristocracy of the famous name (Caroline Kennedy); buying off the city council . . . but could this all be coming to an end?  Some of us think that had Mark Greene,(as awful as he was) been elected mayor, we would have been rid of him after four years.  Now we face the possibility of twelve years of Bloomberg unless . . . yes, I actually think he can be defeated.

 

1984

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Maybe not foreign policy, but the neo-Libs will now be directing & dominating US economic policy - witness the $1 trillion they've already spent even before Inauguration day.  They have re-gained power they haven't held since the LBJ glory days, so it seems to me people should be reading or re-reading George Orwell's 'Collection of Essays', as we are now entering our own Animal Farm, 25 years after...PJS
Last Updated ( Monday, 29 December 2008 06:09 )
 

SPELL CHECK? (PICTURE OF THE WEEK)

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Freedom of speech, of course, means freedom to protest the existence of "Zionist Juice."

In Manhattan on Sunday.

This picture is courtesy of the great Green Little Footballs website.

 

MORAL COWARDICE - TIS THE LEFT

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This is why leftists cannot be trusted with national security.

That liberals - like Ezra Klein at the American Prospect - are condemning Israel's actions against the terrorist organization Hamas is no bombshell.

That liberals like Klein castigate Israel because of her "disproportionate" response to the daily barrage of rocket and mortar attacks coming from the Gaza Strip is downright frightening.

As I wrote yesterday, you don't provoke a lion with constant harassment and then express outrage at the volume of his roar when he's had enough.

Leftists cannot be trusted to respond to evil because they spend their time attempting to balance the scales of moral equivalence as a response to dastardly acts while the enemy exploits.

Leftists cannot be trusted to respond to evil because they refuse to label it.

And if by chance they do, leftists cannot be trusted to respond to evil because they wonder what it is we have done to incite it.

Mr. Klein writes:

No deaths and few injuries. "Deeply disturbing." Hamas lacks the technology to aim its rockets. They're taking potshots. In response, the Israeli government launched air strikes that have now killed more than 280 Palestinians, injured hundreds beyond that, and further radicalized thousands in the Occupied Territories and millions in the region.

The entire "proportionate response" argument is a further example of why liberals cannot be taken at all seriously in real world situations and why matters of national security need to be left to the adults.

What does Klein and his ilk actually mean?

The fact that Hamas does not fire their rockets at specific military targets - or any explicit targets for that matter - means that the proper Israeli response should be what? An equivelant number of indiscriminate, misguided rocket launches into civilian pockets of the Gaza Strip that, too, cause "no deaths and a few injuries?"

Should this be overseen by the Minister of Equality?

The Secretary of Tally?

Or maybe Israel should do nothing at all and figure out how much more they need to relinquish to the terrorists to "keep the peace."

(Yes, this is how the modern liberal thinks).

That Hamas hasn't the technology to kill as many Israelis as they would like to with their daily attacks means what? That Israel should calm down, relax and stop being so unreasonable?

And if Hamas were not firing rockets into Israel in the first place, would this be an issue at all? What exactly does Mr. Klein believe the intent of Hamas is with these launches into Israel?

Of course, it is worth noting that Israel has been targeting military positions and outposts in Gaza. The vast majority of those killed by the strikes were Hamas types - not civilians.

Plus, it is imperative to point out that according to an Associated Press story:

Militants often operate against Israel from civilian areas. Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons.

A warning? Really?

I wonder how many cell phone messages were sent out by Hamas prior to the rocket launches from Gaza into Israel. Certainly their technology is advanced enough to be able to work the "send" button, no?

Klein writes:

The rocket attacks were undoubtedly "deeply disturbing" to Israelis. But so too are the checkpoints, the road closures, the restricted movement, the terrible joblessness, the unflinching oppression, the daily humiliations, the illegal settlement - I'm sorry, "outpost" - construction, "deeply disturbing" to the Palestinians, and far more injurious. And the 300 dead Palestinians should be disturbing to us all.

Disturbing is the failure to acknowledge that all of this so-called "unflinching oppression" is a rejoinder to terrorist activity perpetrated by Hamas and other murderous groups who wish to see Israel wiped from existence by any means possible.

Some points are meant to be made over and over again.

As I wrote on Saturday:

Talk show host Dennis Prager often poses two questions in regard to the never-ending unrest between Israel and the nations that want her destroyed.

-What would happen if Israel laid down her arms?

-What would happen if Hamas and Hezbollah laid down their arms?

As Prager correctly points out, one scenario would result in the destruction of a nation. The other would result in peace.

With all due respect, you are a moral coward, Ezra Klein.

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